That seems like an impossible party composition to me, and frankly I think this game is designed better than being able to be cheesed like that.Īlso I think I may be losing some nuance with the point I'm trying to make because we're discussing extreme situations. If you need an average fight to be easier to survive, wtf is YOUR team composition? You know? I would also like to know how people manage to destealth a tenacious crone, kill it, and then stun a giant and the other monster without fail, all while being sure to go first in round two also. But I would counter that my normal team composition doesn't need easier, either.

In MOST cases, monsters surprised should be an easier fight. I think the normal criticism for this experience is totally valid in most cases. I actually find the middle stage of the campaign the easiest to not lose people in, but maybe that's just me. This, the first like 5 weeks of the game or so, and at the last stages when things are just too fast or too big to completely handle, are mostly when I'm talking about. then you're going to get whacked twice, and if your slow-ass Vestal acts last, this could mean one or more DD checks on your heroes who got double critted, blighted, and acted first. If your dumb crusader misses, your PD blights don't take, etc. And the main enemy that causes it is those spider stacks with two each of webbers and spitters. The only time you totally can't avoid this is early game when you really don't have much choice of what heroes you use, have virtually no trinkets, and little choice of where to go or what to do. Originally posted by RopeDrink:I'm of the opinion that anyone who honestly believes that surprising the enemy is a 'bad thing' are using far too many slow heroes (most important) and/or very little burst or control. I notice too many players adopt the trinity-MMORPG mentality and waltz around with tanks and healers primarily, which are slow and don't all have the most impressive burst or control, hence having lots of them would result in enemy-surprise moments feeling clunkier. 90% of 'enemies surprised' for me involves outright bursting 1-2 targets, stunning the rest, then being fast enough to deal with the remaining enemies on the next turn, often with no damage taken. SPD always has and always will be one of the most important stats in the game. Yes, it sucks, but again, this is a huge fault of slow-comps. What you are describing is the blow-back - all of your heroes going first means all enemies will then have their turn, so unless you can disable or kill numerous enemies, they will go back-to-back - and if your team is overall slower than the enemy then they will ALSO have a huge chance of all going first on the next (normal) round. I'm of the opinion that anyone who honestly believes that surprising the enemy is a 'bad thing' are using far too many slow heroes (most important) and/or very little burst or control.

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